Dakar 1986-.. – Notes of H Giliomee

Notice the “AB member” recently at the Bond meeting between other “familiar faces of parliament and so-called leaders” when Ramaphosa addressed them on behalf of “Afrikaners”.   One of the many elders was presented to the cameras as Hermann.    Ironical, the club members make sure they have a (so-called) mandate to speak and make decisions on behalf of all Afrikaners, even conservatives.  And they were only a men’s club for decades – a mandate is just impossible.

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So word die Afrikanerbond omhels deur die ANC-SAKP-en ander vennote –  hulle wat kwansuis namens die Afrikaner volk praat op hul webtuiste. Hul het geen mandaat om namens enige volk te praat nie.   Hulle is dan multi-kultuur.   Van watter volk is hulle as hul multi-kultuur is?   Voor 1994 was die Afrikanerbond die Broederbond aka Afrikanerbond sedert en voor 1900 reeds, wat slegs uit mans bestaan het.   Geen volk bestaan verder uit slegs mans nie.    Soos genoem.    Die organisasie is in elk geval multi-kultuur nes baie ander organisasies wat maak of hul namens Boere of Afrikanervolk praat.

Dalk die saad al vir ‘n geruime tyd om deel te wees van ‘n nuwe een wêreld organisasie?   Dus is en kan ons as volk nog minder by so iets betrokke wees.

Indien organisasies die volle steun of mandaat gehad het van ons volkslede of selfs ‘n ander volk, waarom al die geheimsinnige uittogte en samesprekings met kommuniste agter so ‘n volk se rug?   Swart  bemagtiging en regstelaksie diskriminerende wetgewings.   Dis niks anders dan skending van ons volksreg, die reg tot vryheid, reg tot die sogenaamde ekonomie wat totaal ontneem is sedert hul samesprekings.  Dit het nie by die FW de klerk begin nie, maar lank voor dit reeds en ook nie by of tydens die referendum van 1992 nie.

Secret talks before 1994

Rina Venter  –  Legkaarte   –   die leuens

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Hulle is steeds sonder ‘n mandaat en multi-kultureel.   Daar is GEEN maar geen toekoms wat wink vir enige Afrikaner of Boer in die huidige opset in Suid-Afrika waar daar met meer as 100 wetgewings teen ons gediskrimineer word.

Wie is die CHRISTIAAN DE WET FONDS?   Wie was die oud generaal tydens die Anglo-Boere oorloë?   AAN WIE HET DAARDIE GELD EN FONDSE BEHOORT – AAN DIE NAGESLAG VAN DIE TWEE BOERE REPUBLIEKE.

Word hierdie geld regtig aangewend vir die doel waarvoor dit aanvanklik gaan verkry is?   Hoeveel biljoene beloop hierdie fonds sedert Christiaan gaan hulp vra het om ons arm Boere se armoede te verlig?    Beslis nie dat ‘n multi-kultuur organisasie dit moet aanwend nie – en vir wie?

Veelrassige organisasies – ABN

Afrikanerbond  –  Afrikaner-Broederbond in SA

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Moenie die ‘reddingsdaadbondfonds’ vergeet nie en wie het almal tot hierdie fonds bygedra na 1939.  Wat was die doel van hierdie fonds?

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And do not forget about the “Reddingsdaadbond” of 1939.

Liberals Slabbert and Boraine started Idasa – discussions outside our country.    Who paid?

Cato Institute – OSF.SA – George Soros

He also financed the SA parliament and even the constitution of 1996.   Refer to the 1955 manifesto and read the 1996 constitution as well.  Read all the different websites as well.

financed:
Idasa=Codesa=Black Sash – Helen Zille, Slabbert, Ramphele, Mandela, Ramaphosa….

Parliament South Africa –  De Goede hoop lodge  –   FM-VM

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It was the British empire that came to South Africa and annexed the various lands and minerals in southern Africa.   During their time here, there was NO country with the name of South Africa at all.   The British empire also annexed the two independent Boer republics (ZAR and Freestate) and forced our peoples into the Union of South Africa, that was ruled and controlled by the British empire from and since 1910 until 1960.     Refer to the Vereeniging Treaty where it was signed that the Boer people will not loose their independence.

Jan Smuts –   Churchill  –  Rhodes  – apartheid : British rules

Volksregte  – Rights of people

Since 1910, we all became part of the British  Commonwealth countries.  Nobody stole the other peoples land, crownland or reserves.   They all occupy the lands themselves.    Those time, there were separate areas for all of them, also the Khoi san, Griqwa and different ethnic groups, called their land British Crownland (Khoi san and Griqwa) and reserves for the black tribes.   The reserves became later ‘homelands’ in 1961, when Dr Verwoerd started to negotiation their independence with 10 homelands and there were elections where all of those blacks voted for their own leaders and also independence (TBVC countries).

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DAKAR AND OTHER VISITS … IN AFRICA

LIBERALS IN DAKAR – LIBERAAL VERLIGTES IN DAKAR (AFRIKA)

Exactly thirty years ago I was one of approximately sixty South Africans (half of them Afrikaners) who flew to Dakar, Senegal to engage with 17 senior ANC “cadres”, all of whom where in exile. Our common goal was finding a way out of the large-scale violence in which South Africa had been caught up in for the previous three years. Those of us who flew from South Africa soon became known as the “Dakarites”.

Like President Jacob Zuma today, President P.W. Botha had become discredited after his Rubicon speech on 16th August 1985 as a man who through a transparent, accountable government could bind South Africans together. Dr Anton Rupert warned Botha in a letter that if political suppression did not come to an end there would be the very real possibility of Afrikaner-leaders one day down the line facing Nuremberg-type trials.

In 1986 Van Zyl Slabbert and Alex Boraine established the “Institute for Democratic Alternatives for South Africa” (Idasa), a short while after both of them had walked out of parliament. Their very first large project was finding funds for a conference of mainly Afrikaans-speaking opinion makers, and members of the ANC leadership. In New York, they met the money-mogul George Soros.   Slabbert told me afterwards about his response, “I think your country is doomed”, Soros said, “but I am prepared to help.”

Soros’s money was not wasted. The Idasa group was by no means united by a common political goal but the majority made it clear that the ANC did not have the means to topple the government through their armed struggle. Any escalation of violence and terror would be to the disadvantage the ANC itself. Dakar played a major role in establishing the idea of a negotiated settlement a the only real solution to South Africa’s problems.

In his opening speech at the Dakar-conference Thabo Mbeki provided a dramatic moment when he kicked-off with these words: “My name is Thabo Mbeki and I am an Afrikaner”. Later on Pallo Jordan, at that stage still falsely laying claim to a doctor’s degree, wrote an open letter to me in which he stated that those words were meant to reassure the Afrikaners that the ANC harboured no ill-will against them.

In his letter Jordan encouraged me and other Afrikaners to embrace the spirit of Mbeki’s speech and to declare from our side: “We are Africans”. According to him the only future possible for Afrikaners in Africa was for them to desist from keeping themselves apart and asking for minority rights.

In the Dakar-debates he even went so far as to warn that the ANC will react with “liberatory intolerance” against Afrikaners who wanted to organise themselves around minority rights, especially language rights, or oppose affirmative action. Here scant tolerance was shown.

Mbeki, like Jordan, revealed the ANC’s Janus-face. On the one hand there was Mbeki’s Africanist-side insisting on the liberation of the African nation, with black people, as the “most oppressed section” entitled to the greatest forms of special advancement because of this. On the other hand was Mbeki’s support for “non-racialism”, which was supposed to ignore race as a salient feature in decision-making.

Mbeki himself, as a person, was also a paradox. The one side of the Janus-figure was an urbane diplomat; the other side an uncompromising, intolerant ideologue. I wondered how Mbeki reconciled his “I am an Afrikaner” declaration with statements he had previously made. His animus against Afrikaners and their history was striking in a speech he made in 1978 in Canada, called “The Historic Injustice”. This speech would be included in a volume of his speeches published during his term as deputy president of South Africa.

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NO PROOF  BUT ONLY ACCUSATIONS

In “The Historic Injustice” Mbeki argues, quite similar to Jacob Zuma today, that “the Boers” stole the land and cattle from the blacks and enslaved them.

With the Great Trek the Afrikaners, according to Mbeki, left behind everything that was dynamic in the history of human progress. They now adhered to a “perverse form” of Calvinism in which they proclaimed themselves to be a Chosen People.

According to Mbeki black people during the twentieth century were subjected to the most extreme form of capitalist exploitation and dehumanisation. They produced all the wealth, but white people appropriated it all.

Even after becoming president Mbeki continued in this vein. This is clear from the very graphic language he used in an ANC electronic newsletter written in late 2008 after Adriaan Vlok, a Minister of Police in the De Klerk cabinet, had washed the feet of the Reverand Frank Chikane, a high official in the presidency.

During the 1980s Vlok had been an accomplice in the near-fatal poisoning of Chikane, who was then an ANC activist. In Mbeki’s words Vlok washed the feet of a black man, whom he had been brought up to see as belonging to a ‘sub-human species’, and whom he had wanted dead as he represented the ‘anti-Christ’.

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At the Dakar conference of 1987. Mbeki preferred to emphasize the non-racial nature of the ANC movement.

However, affirmative action would remain the law until the ANC had judged the structure of society to be non-racial. Many of Idasa’s “Dakar-gangers” provided no resistance to this argument. They were afraid of being accused of still secretly supporting apartheid.

Like all the other leaders of the organization, Mbeki displayed a deep belief in the ANC’s moral virtue. The key words in his vocabulary were ‘non-racial democracy’. But these were slippery terms, as Lawrence Schlemmer, a member of the Idasa group, pointed out:

“The ANC has perfected a code in responding to the issue of race. It invariably starts off from the position of non-racism, and it then qualifies this with a commitment to closing racial gaps in order to achieve a legitimate basis for non-racialism, and from there it proposes a range of race-based affirmative action and empowerment policies to give effect to this. In the latter aspect it is able to assure its African or black supporters that, although ‘non-racial’, it is ‘on their side’.”

After 1994 the ANC adopted the view that the races to be represented in demographic proportions as the ‘logical’ end product of non-racialism. But in 1987 not many of us had any idea of the ANC’s future plans. Chris Louw, a journalist who after 1994 would nearly be “transformed out” his job at the SABC, had this recollection of Dakar:

“Only much later did I realise how naïve I was in Dakar. There was a type of bravado amongst the younger Afrikaners. They were tired of the rigid, racist stereotype of the Afrikaner…..   We wanted to show that we were even more African than the ANC; in that sense the conference for us was more a matter of show than substance.

We were so ashamed of our government, ashamed of P.W. Botha’s boorish behaviour, of the hodgepodge NP – policy, that we succumbed to the temptation of taking sides with the ANC and their ideology. In that spirit we rejected any reference to minority or group rights as code-language for NP support. We wanted to create as much distance as possible between ourselves and the NP”.

In the same way the ANC’s conception of democracy needed to be deconstructed. From the 1960s members of the South African Communist Party had begun moving the ANC Alliance ever further towards the democratic centralism of Eastern European dictatorships.

A tight and unaccountable party elite allowed free discussion among the party elite until a decision was taken, which the leadership then rigidly enforced. The legislature was largely reduced to a rubber stamp. A fusion of the ruling party and the state occurred that left little room for an opposition. In Eastern Europe centralism was the dominant feature and the democratic aspect largely cosmetic.

Initially Africa countries that became independent during the late 1950s and 1960s did not take the Easter European route. The great moral alibi of African nationalism was the main liberal principle, namely majority rule. This was very evident in the way the ANC delegates approached the subject in the debates at Dakar.

People like Mbeki and Jordan, who posed as the leading members of the ANC’s intelligentsia, proposed a fairly unqualified form of majoritarianism. They tried to dismiss the entire literature on the importance of ethnicity in deeply divided societies and the dangers its neglect poses to the consolidation of a democracy.

Majority rule in divided society like ours, however, means something radically different than in a homogeneous society, where social class interests and beliefs rather than racial or ethnic identity determine voters’ choices. In societies deeply divided by race and ethnicity, by contrast, the ascribed identity strongly shapes the voters’ affiliation.

Invariably this results in the largest racial or ethnic group in the electorate forming a ‘permanent majority’, using democratic terminology and mechanisms to exclude minorities as participants in decision-making.

An open letter by Jordan to me after the conference Jordan asked ‘Why won’t the Afrikaners rely on democracy?’ He dismissed calls for minority rights as a refusal to ‘seek forms of mutuality’ with the African majority in a democracy. He mocked any anxiety over possible discrimination against whites under black rule by waxing lyrical over the non-racial tradition of the ANC.   In the open letter Jordan wrote: ‘The very fact that we had to struggle to maintain non-racialism has drilled it into the average member so that it was almost second nature.’

What he was saying, in short, was that the ANC could be trusted to take the interests of the minorities into account.

At Dakar the ANC delegation even rejected a bill of rights seeking to safeguard individual rights and assuage minority fears, arguing that the Freedom Charter offered enough guarantees.

It refused to concede that speakers of a minority language should be entitled to enforceable language rights. Jordan stated: ‘The future of Afrikaans is assured – if for no other reason than that it is the language of many black people’.

This was hardly a firm assurance. Several members of the Idasa group proposed a fairly lengthy period of power-sharing after apartheid had been abolished , but both ANC delegates and several members of the Idasa group dismissed this as a way of resuscitating apartheid.

Eli Kedourie, one of the most respected experts on nationalism, wrote after a visit to South Africa in the mid-1980s that “the worst manifestation of the tyranny of the majority occur when the undiluted Western model is implemented in countries divided by religion, language or race.”

But many member of the Idasa group were simply determined to believe that individual rights would be sufficient to protect the interested and cultural values of the minority communities. I was one of those whose views were dismissed as archaic, perhaps even racist. Mark Gevisser, Mbeki’s biographer, later wrote:

“Hermann Giliomee became the Boer in the woodpile in the Idasa delegation”.

Dakar was meant to be the place where we would think deeply, reflect and argue over a democratic dispensation that could work for South Africa, and strive for a type of consensus on various issues. This did not happen.

Mike Robertson, an experienced journalist who attended the conference, later wrote that the Idasa-delegation failed in convincing the ANC to make a single concession.

This piece was first published in Afrikaans in Die Burger. A conference commemorating the historic Dakar meeting will take place this week-end in Stellenbosch. Hermann Giliomee’s book Historian: An Autobiography (Tafelberg) was recently published.

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OPINIES EN NOTAS

Het die “AB lid”  onlangs by die Bond vergadering tussen ander “bekende gesigte van parlement en sogenaamde leiers” opgemerk toe Ramaphosa hulle toegespreek het.  Een van die baie oues word aan die kamera’s voorgestel as Hermann.   Ironies, maak hierdie klub of daar altyd ‘n mandaat is om namens alle Afrikaners, selfs konserwatiewes te praat en besluite te neem in belang van die volk.

Nogal kommerwekkend gewees om hierdie sogenaamde “belangrike” gebeurtenis en foto’s op internet raak te lees en kan daar nie gehelp word om terug te dink aan die gemors wat hulle reeds voor Dakar beplan het nie.   Soos Hermann se opiniestuk oordra.

Dis reeds lankal op die Broederbond-ANC se agenda in Amerika gewees.  Hier was heel toevallig baie leuens uitgedink om dit as die werklikheid te verkoop vir haat, rassisme en diskriminasie teenoor ‘n klein blanke Afrikaner en Boere volk.

Tot swart bemagtiging en regstellende aksies is hier uitgedink deur dieselfde mense wat soos ons lyk en praat.    Wil dit uitspel – nie alle Afrikaners en Boere was deel van hierdie geheimsinnige groep mans wat hulself vir lank die Broederbond genoem het.

Geen volk kan net uit mans bestaan nie, dus diegene wat dink dit was ‘n spesifieke volk, moet maar weer hul herkoukies gaan opsoek wat uitgespoeg is.

Die Afrikanerbond (mans) het selfs in Rhodes se dae bestaan.   Hulle is nou weer Afrikanerbond en kwansuis oop vir almal en staan nie vir enige volk nie.  ‘n Private klub vir sekere groep mans.

Liberales Slabbert en Boraine het Idasa begin.

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The Helpmekaarfonds helped many thousands of Afrikaans students through university and teachers’ training colleges with grants and study loans at almost zero interest.   (recently F Buys from Solidarity, mentioned the “Reddingsdaadbondfonds” and said they want to “repeat that they will do the same as in the past).
Afrikanerbond – Afrikaner-Broederbond in SA

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Take note – Not every “Afrikaans student” or the poor people were part of the Broederbond (club).  Broederbond was a secret men’s club.   But the whole idea was that small funding was received from poor Boers and Afrikaners, after the Wars and 1933 depression,  will help them all in total.    That did not take place.   Only and mostly, the elites were helped.

Same thing is happening now, since 1994 and today with B-BBEE and EE.   There are more unemployment now as before 1994.

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“There are a lot of vague accusations made in this regard, but nobody could come up with any concrete evidence of land theft.”  This is hate speech, as well as discrimination against the minority group of people.
Ramaphosa : “Farmers/Whites are thieves” – accusations > expropriation

His children live in England — he thinks it’s better that way – so easy to create and help a bloody revolution and then the family go and live in another country
Afrikanerbond – Johann Rupert – Remgro – Richemont

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Well planned with the liberals  of Dakar and Kodesa

“RAMAPHOSA AND THE LIBERALS”
Codesa Constitution – Kodesa Grondwet

LIBERALS – LIBERAAL VERLIGTE “BLANKES”
Codesa (writers) – Kodesa (skrywers)

Ramaphosa – there is no “democracy”
Communist Constitution

George Soros – he is sitting on more than one chair to fund certain groups to destroy people, cultures, language and traditions.
OPEN SOCIETY: SOROS FUNDING

Funding and rulers
Suid-Afrika Parlement /South Africa Parliament

WHO WROTE THE CONSTITUTION – COMPARE IT WITH THE ANC MANIFESTO 1955
Kodesa – “liberale en kommunistiese grondwet skrywers”

CODESA
Ooreenkomste – Agreements

Segregation is still here – old Homelands – landclaims became CPAs  and trustlands – all of the communal lands – where are all the “title deeds” – “nationalisation of all”
Traditional leaders South Africa: 8840

This is the place of “gold”.   Where did they get the gold?
British rules, Commonwealth, Trustlands

Soros and Ramaphosa
THE CLASSICAL LIBERALS ARE IN THE SAME RACE
CATO INSTITUUT  behoort aan  GEORGE SOROS.

with FW de Klerk –   THE CLASSICAL LIBERALS
Read also the FW de klerk foundation about the rainbownation – various active speakers
Classical liberals – SA – IRR – IRV

She was also involved and with them
Prof Thuli Madonsela

DIE REGSBANK VAN SA KOM AL UIT DIE OU BEDELING UIT – SINCE 1970
The Bridge – Die Brug