SA Parliament – land without compensation – traditional leaders

A Hansard of December 2018 stated there are more than 8840 traditional leaders (different black and coloureds)   in the whole of South Africa.   They all receive salaries and benefits.     It is even legally in their constitution (anc manifesto).   And most of us thought that segregation is over for those different ethnic groups.    Did mandela and de klerk not brag with a “world peace price” in their hands – they dismantled so-called apartheid?   No – it is not gone, it is with us.

National House of Traditional Leaders Debates President's Address -  Parliament of South Africa


Most political parties today and all the ethnic groups of different peoples supported that.   Most of them are still living in those areas known as Homelands, it was only changed to CPA or Trustland under the wing of the ANC.

They all supported B-BBEE legislations against only the minority white people of South Africa as well.

They even say, also the various legislations, that their areas are only for them to live and benefit from.   With names and surnames in it on the CPA or Trustlands.

And then all of them said they are LANDLESS.   Confirmed by liberal and communist leaders.

What happened then after and even before 1994?   They only changed the names of the previous homelands, conveniently to those of Trustland (Ingonyama Trustland – started already before the 1994 elections, signed by FW de Klerk – his/anc/traditional leaders were all part of those Contralesa and agreements).

“Zulu kingdom” Ingonyama Trust

It is indeed the case, that the kings/queens are trustees of land, but are they the real owners of those lands, with the title deeds?   It is millions of hectares of land that do not belong to any white person in this country.   Is the trustee the holder of title deed and owner then?  Crown lands – do they still belong to the Crown of Engeland perhaps (Commonwealth)?   Same with the registered CPA – who are the trustee and do they have the title deed of that land, why is this only to live on (communal land).

They all created this hate against the white minorities, the Afrikaner and Boer, to promote hate,  racism and discrimination, the ideology,  they are landless, but they are not.  It was their own choices to live on communal lands.


Not so long ago – Cyril Ramaphosa paid  a courtesy call on Her Majesty the Queen at the Windsor Castle during a working visit to London to attend the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting (CHOGM 2018) taking place on 19-20 April 2018.   This is the place of “gold”.   Where did they get the gold?  Not on their islands.     Pictures of a puzzle will fit in and know the history about British empire in Africa and other continents.  There are still Crownlands and Trustlands everywhere.

British rules, Commonwealth, Trustlands


All “management matters” are done under the guise of legislation so that it seems to everyone that the rulers follow the right channels – and also link to “democracy” and their constitution.

The same is done in South Africa as well as other African countries with all the different Trust Acts and communal laws. In the process, so much legislation have been passed against especially the whites, who are minority in South Africa, to disempower them economically for total collapse.  Not only to destroy the country, but destroy all of us and the white people.  Why are there still separate areas then, for black and khoi san peoples (called CPA or Trustlands?).   And study the CPA and Trustland legislations.


Lancaster House Agreement, signed on 21 December 1979


Why was Dr Verwoerd killed and by whom?    He left the Commonwealth and wanted freedom for ALL of us.  That was why he and his team build different areas to get independent countries and leaders of their own choices, like Botswana have today.

Statebond – Commonwealth


And where are those peoples then, they are also not landless – take 7.6 million x 4-8 people, how many will you get.   25-30 Millions are still living on old Homelands and Crownlands, communal right only.


7.5 million blacks – Where do they live in South Africa?  Is that only a certificate or the real title deed?   Big difference between a “certificate” and Title deed.   

There are 7.5 million blacks with private ownership in South Africa and they are not landless as their leaders declared, while complaining about white land ownership or white privileges.    Other properties or farm land that was not mentioned, is the registered land claims (CPA – 8840 traditional leaders) and Trustlands (like Ingonyama trust) that fall under communal rights/trust legislations – also not belong to any white person.

The 7.5 million properties are through the whole country, in towns and cities.   But most ethnic blacks and coloureds (30 million +) also have their own separate areas, and call that CPA’s (Landclaims) or Trustland (previous Homelands) – only communal land. 

There is only 730 000 white private ownerships versus 7.5 million black ownership.   Not sure about the other groups, Indians or Coloureds, etc of people in South Africa.

Die 7.6 miljoen swart titelakte houers


Are the involved or not – Read the Charter of the Commonwealth.

AND in Kenya today there are the stirrings of truth and reconciliation movements as families of Mau Mau and “loyalist” Kikuyu meet and talk about the tragedy that tore their grandparents’ generation apart.

“British rule” Colonial rule


Commonwealth, also called Commonwealth of Nations, formerly (1931–49) British Commonwealth of Nationsa free association of sovereign states comprising the United Kingdom and a number of its former dependencies who have chosen to maintain ties of friendship and practical cooperation and who acknowledge the British monarch as symbolic head of their association. In 1965 the Commonwealth Secretariat was established in London to organize and coordinate Commonwealth activities.

Statebondslande, saam Engeland om dieselfde tafel.  Eet hul dieselfde disse of is die in beheer beter daaraan toe of nie?

Volgens hulle is dit ‘n vrye vereniging van soewereine state wat bestaan uit die Verenigde Koninkryk en ‘n aantal van sy voormalige afhanklikes wat gekies het om vriendskapsbande en praktiese samewerking te handhaaf en wat erken die Britse monarg as simboliese hoof van hul vereniging. In 1965 is die Statebondsekretariaat in Londen gestig om die aktiwiteite van die Gemenebes te organiseer en te koördineer.   Baie lande word die “kroon” erken en heelwat lande se grondgebiede is steeds bekend as “trustgebiede” of kroongebiede.

Cyril Ramaphosa en Brittanje



The British people suffer “historical amnesia” over the atrocities committed by their former empire, an Indian MP and author has claimed.   Former UN under-secretary general Dr Shashi Tharoor said the British education system fails to tell the real story of empire.

Remember, the education system of the British was handed over to Dr Verwoerd, 1954, and why?    Were the Union, under British rule,  not happy with the missionary schools and educational system?   Why did they handed it all over to the Afrikaans people?

Different churches overseas did English schooling to all or most of the Reserves and Crown land  in southern Africa (Blacks and Khoi san peoples – since and before 1840 till 1954.

Britse “magte” – British power


Hoe vinnig word enige persoon ‘n baie ryk persoon?

Commonwealth – Billionaires


Ooreenkomste en tradisionele leierskappe na Kodesa (Kontralesa) onderhandelings, implementering van die Wit skrifte en wetgewings, dienooreenkomstig met grondwet om dit te “wettig.

Agreements and Traditional leaderships


2019 Leaders – salaries of 8840 traditional leaders.
Begroting – tradisionele leiers 2019



It is indeed the same kind of agreements the British colonies have with black and coloureds since 1850, the Shepstone policy (1854),  but it is now and then only communal lands to the blacks and coloureds.   Those time it was called Reserves or British crownland and falled directly under the British Crown and changed later to Commonwealth.   Who will remember Crown lands – Canada – Australia – Kenya – other countries as well.

It was not the Afrikaner, Boer of Verwoerd that created this.   The late Dr Verwoerd wanted full independence for all of us,  every people (Zulu, Xhosa, Afrikaners  and others) to have full control of their own countries, by themselves and not by any others, with their own leaders.  He was killed for that ideology.

Pre 1994 – there were 4 internal Independent Homelands (TBVC) and the other six were all self-government countries.  The 4 TBVC countries were not recognised internationally.   Those 20+ millions blacks voted for their own leaderships, and they still do this today with the traditional councils and leaderships after 1994 – that never stopped.

Now all of a sudden, they all wanted to “upgrade” and created new industries, what they destroyed during the period 1966 until now.  To get more money and corruption?

The coloured people also received registered CPA’s with benefits (all CPA’s received benefits after 1994) – from Thabo Mbeki in 2007,  where are those trillions of rands today or other things for their farms?   Landclaims fall under CPA legislation.

Why did FW de Klerk not give any attention to the Accord of the Afrikaner/Boer on the table for our own people’s self-determination.  Because he did not want to – he and his Broederbond organisation.   Meyer signed the Accord with Viljoen and international representatives in SA.

Millions of rands were also paid out by the Truth and Reconciliation Commission to the so-called disadvantaged – where are all the money today.




Parliament hosted the Sixth Session of the National House of Traditional Leaders to debate the speech made by President Jacob Zuma during its opening on the 3rd of March 2017. In attendance were the majesties and traditional leaders from various traditional houses and councils.  This debate was also extended to provincial traditional councils.

The Deputy Chairperson of the House, Chief Sipho Mahlangu, made general introductory remarks stating, among other things, that the President in his speech raised many pertinent issues. One of which was the issue related to the sinking of Mendi.

“We are grateful for the centenary of those who perished. And for the tribute that was paid to the hardship and suffering faced by those who perished in this disaster,” he said.

But as the Traditional House, we are saddened by the fact that the Truth and Reconciliation Commission never considered those who were affected by this tragedy. “We want to establish whether those who went to war did so voluntarily or were coerced to do so. We also want their families to get a form of compensation. It is saddening to learn that those who participated in the war were give coats as remuneration,” he said.

“It is also time we assesses the effectiveness of the traditional councils to determine whether they operate at the level they were expected to,” he said. “And we want to know whether these structures were established for compliance with legislation or to improve service delivery as envisaged. The sad reality is that some of those who serve in these structures don’t get paid, they are volunteers. If ever they are getting paid, what they receive is below the minimum living wage. Traditional councils are democratic structures. They need space to evolve to be able to do what they ought to do,” he said.

“Today, we request the President to ensure that there is a synergy between our councils and the various departments of government and municipalities. There should be a good working relationship and a Memorandum of Understanding between these entities. If that can happen, some of municipal functions can be performed by the traditional councils.

“We also call for our active participation in the National Council of Provinces to work together to ensure that its law-making process is constitutional. Some legislation doesn’t pass muster because we were not involved in conducting public participation which is an inherent requirement of law-making. “We need to amend our legislation and give more powers and functions of law-making processes to traditional leaders. If this institution remains grossly incapacitated as it is now, its dignity will continue to be at stake.


“We should not hide the fact that it is not the first time that we had such a debate. We had a similar debate before. But of great urgency to our institution is the recognition of the traditional leadership and authority of the Khoisan,” said Chief Setlamorago Thobejane, the President of Contralesa (Congress of Traditional Leaders of South Africa).

“We are all aware that the Khoisan were the first victims of colonialism. But very little has been done to address this injustice. In this regard, we are calling on government to ensure that there is legislation that recognises the traditional leadership of the Khoisan. The dignity of the Khoisan must be restored. No one must feel to be less important than others. If we address that, that will be a foundation to build equality.

“But most of all, the building of the capacity of our institution is critical if we are to respond optimally to our responsibilities. Our status has been diminished. Without restoring its dignity, it would be difficult to speak of rural development and it will be difficult for it to have any significant influence in its jurisdictions. Currently, this institution has been driven by the traditional councils that are not well capacitated,” he said.

“The existence of this institution is solely based on the will of the people and when there is no effective leadership, it will perish. We cannot continue to operate on meagre funds. We need to be better off than where are today. And due to lack of support, we have been rendered a white elephant,” he said.

The Agricultural Parks that government intend establishing must empower rural communities, so that when we speak of agriculture we are not making reference to white farmers.

“Government must supply us with sufficient help to develop the agricultural sector in rural areas. And we cannot fight poverty if this sector is neglected. If we are to promote agricultural development, we need to harness the skills and know-how of rural communities to develop a thriving agricultural sector in these areas.

We need to revive former industries and cooperatives in rural areas, especially in former homelands and do so with the urgency it deserves. We need to organise rural women, for instance, to produce uniforms for local schools as a means to resuscitate rural economies and to create employment opportunities,” he said.

“The mining beneficiations in rural areas leave much to be desired. The granting of mining rights is not coordinated and often sidelines our communities. We should make sure that our communities are the principal beneficiaries of mining activities in their respective areas. And we should not prioritise the interests of investors above that of those who have a birthright to their land.”

As long we don’t have land, we would not achieve all that we are talking about, he said. “We cannot continue enduring suffering when we have land. This is our land, let it be utilised to restore the dignity of our people,” he said.

“Land is a thorny issue and there is no way we cannot talk about it,” said Chief Malesela Dikgale. “You can think about Ken Saro-Wiwa, the Nigerian environmentalist who was executed over the land issue, and the never-ending strife of the Palestinians. All these conflicts revolve around the land issue. We do not say this will happen here. But they show how contentious the land issue is and how it is linked to the dignity of a people.

“It is now apparent that the policy of ‘willing seller, willing buyer’ has failed dismally,” he said. “How can we buy our own land? Land was central to our liberation struggle and it is incomplete without its attainment. As an institution we support the amendment of the Constitution allow the expropriation of land that was illegally possessed, without compensation.

“We don’t say this to cause confusion and mayhem. We don’t support land grabs. We are against that. Anyone who promotes them must face the full might of the law. We want this to happen within the law, hence we call for the amendment of the Constitution to come with laws that will govern the expropriation of ill-gotten land.

“The Constitution guides us to fulfil our aspirations. I am deeply concerned about our President’s announcement that the Constitution must be amended to allow for the expropriation of land without compensation. We have seen what happened in Zimbabwe, we don’t want to see that here. What will be different in South Africa if we do so? What measures will be placed to ensure that there is no land corruption, land violence like in Zimbabwe,” he said.

“We must find a day,” stated the President, “where all ministers could meet with our traditional leaders to listen to your concerns. That is not a very difficult thing to do. We indeed need to do things differently. We don’t want you to feel that you are not being treated with respect, as was the case in the past. There are many things that we need to discuss. Some of the inputs that are written we can study them and try to address weaknesses where they exist. Consensus is not beyond our reach,” he said.

“Our liberation struggle stalwart to which we dedicate this year, OR Tambo, influenced the consensus culture that is now embedded in our movement. If government is aware that these are things that worry the traditional leaders, we need to find consensus to resolve them. We should follow OR’s philosophy of consensus-seeking mechanism to resolve some of the problems that you have raised. He (OR Tambo) stressed that there is no problem that has no solution. As government, we must find a way to find solutions to the problems faced by the traditional leaders,” he said.

He also stated that traditional leaders have a critical role to play in our democracy and in the realisation of radical economic transformation. “We fought for freedom to enjoy what God has given us, such as the land. If you dispossess people of their land, you take away the means of their survival.”

The cause of the triple challenge of poverty, unemployment and inequality is a direct result of our dispossession of our land which constitutes the means of production.

“Hence we need fundamental change in the ownership of our land, systems, structure and management of our economy in favour of the poor and majority who are Africans. It is land that will bring back the dignity of black people in this country – and that will help us achieve reconciliation,” he said.

By Abel Mputing

30 March 2017

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