When asked if the ANC government was being “sneaky” in gazetting a proposed amendment that fully intended on changing in the future, Motshekga did not respond, only saying that the courts would take too long to make a decision. To whose advantage? “We have the experience that the court processes are arduous. They take time, they require resources,” Motshekhga said. “But the executive is a democratic government, elected by the people of South Africa, they represent the people of South Africa and they must govern. ANC will use this in their own interest and “socalled democratic status” (communism #bolshevism)
THIS IS SAME WAY AS ZIMBABWE
PREVIOUSLY ON THE “MOTION OF EFF” REGARDING EXPROPRIATION OF PROPERTIES WITHOUT COMPENSATION
Parliamentary spokesperson Moloto Mothapo said the committee had received more than 700 000 electronic and hard copy submission forms from the public by the closing date of June 15. “Due to the extraordinarily huge volume of submissions, and the importance of ensuring that each and every submission from the public is given deserved consideration by Parliament, the committee is in the process of augmenting its internal capacity, by procuring a service provider to assist with analysing the submissions.”
Oor die 700000 publieke besware ontvang
Land in South Africa – Private and communal land (CPA). Reserves and British Crownlands were implemented long before 1900. Since 1840’s by the British Empire and colonial rules. They also annexed all minerals and mines, ruled from London since 1902.
Grond in Suid-Afrika Privaat/kommunaal
The decision of the governing ANC to go ahead with changing the Constitution to allow for land expropriation without compensation is short-sighted, agricultural union TLU SA has said. The national assembly approved a motion to initiate and introduce the legislation and a committee will have to give feedback to parliament by the end of March next year. ““Expropriation without compensation will not deliver any good results,” TLU SA president Louis Meintjes said in a statement.
“Research shows most of the applicants do not have the knowledge or capacity to sustainably manage the land, which at the moment contributes significantly to the rural and national economy. In most cases, they would instead opt to be financially compensated than to be in charge of the land.” He said the past had shown that most of the land previously expropriated now lay barren “because the government did not care enough to support the new owners to manage the land successfully”.
TODAY – SECOND ROUND
One article said …
The ruling party, the ANC does not support a clause in the controversial land expropriation bill which would give the courts the power to determine which land should be taken without compensation – but allowed it to be drafted that way so that the proposal could be gazetted without controversy.
The draft bill was published for public comment on 6 December 2019. It aims to amend the Constitution to provide that, where land and any improvements on it are expropriated for the purposes of land reform, the amount of compensation payable may be nil. However, the bill itself does not specify the circumstances when no compensation may be given.
Instead, it states that a separate piece of national legislation must set out the specific circumstances where a court may determine that the amount of compensation is nil.
In its current format, Section 25(2)(b) states that:
(2) Property may be expropriated only in terms of law of general application-
(b) subject to compensation, the amount of which and the time and manner of payment of which have either been agreed to by those affected or decided or approved by a court.
The proposed amendment adds:
(3A) a court may, where land and any improvements thereon are expropriated for the purposes of land reform, determine that the amount of compensation is nil.
However, in an interview on ENCA, chairperson of Parliament’s ad-hoc committee on the constitutional amendment, Mathole Motshekga said that the ANC does not support the proposed amendment.
“We had to select a formulation that would be acceptable to all the political parties so that we don’t derail the process. But that formulation is subject to engagement by political parties and the people of South Africa as a whole.
“The ANC has taken the lead to say ‘no, we do not support that formulation’ – that power should be given to the executive,” he said. Motshekga said the proposed formulation was worded as it is to avoid controversy, and to allow the proposed amendment to be gazetted. Doing it any other way would have derailed the process, he said.
“We are not excluding the role of courts, but we are not giving the courts the first opportunity to decide, because that will last another 25-years and the people of South Africa cannot wait for another 25-years to get a resolution to this matter,” he said.
It is the ANC president, of the so-called ‘democracy’ that appointed the Judges – something fishy ongoing here also to change the constitution.
It is undemocratic and unconstitutional to take away people’s property rights and against international laws, specific from white Afrikaners and Boers (racism) without any compensation. The ANC want super power and control over all of us.
Same happened with B-BBEE and EE legislations – that is also racism, discrimination and human violations against the white minority people in South Africa. What is democratic about this changes and legislations?
GEEN DEMOKRASIE TEENWOORDIG
Hierdie beteken inderwaarheid dat die ANC regering slegs hulself wil bevoordeel en dink die “howe” kan nie die besluite maak nie. As daar wetgewing is, is dit so maklik om uit te voer soos die afgelope 25 jaar. Dis dan die ANC president , volgens hulle eie grondwet wat die Regters aanstel.
Dit is ongrondwetlik en teen internasionale reg om enige persoon se grond of eiendom te vervreem, nes wat die swart bemagtiging en regstelaksie wetgewings teenoor slegs blankes geimplementeer is. Daar is geen grondwetlike reg om die rassistiese wetgewing in plek te hou nie want dit vernietig ons menseregte.
Die ANC-EFF rewolusie blaas verseker sedert 1994 diskriminasie en geweld aan. Terwyl korrupsie , moorde, aanvalle en verkragtings op elke front toeneem toeneem, verander die deuntjies oor grondonteiening vanaf die “musical green chairs” in parlement, ‘n geweldadige rewolusie wat nie beheer word nie. Die inneem van “blankes se vuurwapens” is ‘n bewys dat hulle ons blanke volk wil ontwapen.
Danksy die liberale oorgawe, kan die ANC regering basies besluit wat hulle wil om die liberale-klassieke liberale – kommunistiese grondwet te wysig soos dit hulle behaag en pas. Die elites staan saam. Hulle is lankal nie meer tevrede met dit wat by Kodesa “onderhandel” was deur liberaal verligte blankes en skrywers van die grondwet voor 1994 nie. George Soros sit met sy aangeplakte glimlag en hou die beursie oop.
Dis nie vreemd nie, lees die ANC manifes van 1955 en die terreurdade wat die ANC voor 1994 gepleeg het – alles behalwe demokraties. Alles gaan gekaap word, nes die SOE instellings, munisipaliteite en elke besigheid/plaas/huis. Swart bemagtiging en regstel aksies is juis om ons blanke volk totaal en al ekonomies te ontmagtig.
Comments closing soon
Motshekga also said that no extension would be given for submissions to comment on the bill, which was published in December, ahead of the holidays.
The DA has previously criticised the bill, saying that it is unclear how it defines land (appearing to include property – which has a different legal definition – in with its claims), while also bypassing requirements for a two-third majority vote by putting the powers over land expropriation in separate legislation, outside of the Constutional amendment. The party called the publishing of the bill and the truncated comment period because of the holidays, an attempt by the ANC to rush through the changes. Submissions for comment close at the end of January 2020.
Motshekga said the deadline is not the end of the discussion on land expropriation, with a nation-wide road show set to take place in February to hold public hearings. “We will listen to all South Africans to give them an ample opportunity to give inputs,” he said.
Full interview below:
The National Assembly has adopted EFF leader Julius Malema’s motion on land expropriation without compensation, but it’s not a done .deal. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ixu3RV5yrU
Land Expropriation Without Compensation came under intense discussion at a seminar hosted by the Agricultural Marketing Council and the Land Bank in Pretoria this morning. Those for and against the policy locked horns trying hard to justify their positions.
Government will not amend the Constitution to allow for the expropriation of land without compensation. That’s according to Rural Development and Land Reform Minister Gugile Nkwinti who tabled his Department’s Budget Vote
CHANGE the Constitution is so easy:
To amend the Constitution, two-thirds of the National Assembly must vote for a proposed amendment and, in the National Council of Provinces, six of the nine provinces must be for the proposed amendment. It was supported by ANC and EFF / some others – DA.
Grondplanne van ANC – Plans of the ANC
Since 1994, more than 5000 farms were bought with Tax money, to expropriate, by the ANC – but nothing happened with those farms, millions of hectares of land. There are /were no food production that took place on those farms.
Daar word standpunte gehuldig dat die regering reeds oor die 5000 produktiewe plase sedert 1994 aangekoop het met belastinginkomste. Hierdie plase word dus glad nie meer vir voedselproduksie aangewend nie.
Grond eienaars: ANC regeringsplase
Dan weerklink die stem van ‘n FW de Klerk van 1990 oor sy opgeblaaste referendum saam Dakargangers en Kodesa grondwetskrywers en nou word die stemme eenvoudig herhaal. Praat van saampraat en saamsing in dieselfde kommunistiese koortjie sedert Verwoerd se dood. Dieselfde tafels en funksies !! Lees meer oor wat in Suid-Afrika aan die gang is, nie net op plase nie, maar in die hele swart bemagtigingsbedryf – alle eiendom word geraak – of dit nou bates of aandele is, dit word alles in die bestaande “grondwet” genoem. Tot die ANC president wat hul eie regters aanstel. Blaas ‘n eie beuel as dit kom by kommissies saamstel.
NYWERHEIDSONTWIKKELINGSKORPORASIE – NOK (voor 1994)
Eiendom in Suid-Afrika – Onteiening
Hoekom moet ons pa staan vir al hierdie uitspattige hoë salarisse – hierdie elites in Parlement wat blanke liberales insluit, voel vir ons konserwatiewes niks en nog minder is daar enige wetgewing of beleidsdokumente of selfs in hul saamgevoegde grondwet wat ons menseregte beskerm nie? Daar word geen poging aangewend om regverdigheid te laat geld nie en nog minder word aandag aan ons as minderheidsvolk(e) gegee.
Konserwatiewe blanke bevolkings se deelname in Suid-Afrika
There are 7.5 million blacks with private ownership in South Africa and they are not landless as their leaders declared, while complaining about white land ownership or white privileges. Other properties or farm land that was not mentioned, is the registered land claims (CPA – 8840 traditional leaders) and Trustlands (like Ingonyama trust) that fall under communal rights/trust legislations – also not belong to any white person. More than 25 million ethnic people do live on those CPA or Trustlands since 1994 and even before 1900 it was theirs. For sure, nobody do have problems with any of them, but why then said “apartheid” is gone while it is not the case? Who received black privileges under black economic empowerment and affirmative action legislations?
Die 7.6 miljoen swart titelakte houers
Everybody, every emigrant came to South Africa, demand jobs, houses, schools, infrastructure, hospitals – the list is endless.
Grondhervorming -besetting: Suid-Afrika
HOMELANDS WERE ETHNIC PEOPLE ON ITS WAY TO INDEPENDENCE
Wat is apartheid regtig – dit was niks anders dan segregasie – aparte gebiede wat reeds bestaan het in die vorm van reservate sedert 1840’s. Dus kom reservate uit die Britse koloniale tydperk en nie uit die 1948 regering wat dit geskep het nie. Toe wyle Dr Verwoerd regering hierdie gebiede gekry het, was dit reeds bestaande reservate. Hoe kan iets nuut geskep het as dit reeds bestaan het. Alhoewel baie kleiner, het dit met jare ook groter geword en was dit nie die regering van 1961 wat mense daar ingeprop het nie. Dit was reeds in die 1930’s vergroot.
Tuislande en Trustgebiede in Suid-Afrika
It is the truth, we as Afrikaners and Boers (whites) are not part of any other culture or people, but we have rights and we are South African citizens with ownerships of businesses and homes. That is why we as people have an international right to rule ourselves in our own independent country.
Previously our areas were the two independent Boer Republics that the British Empire has annexed all our and be in control of minerals as well.
Grond en privaatbesit sal verseker nog lank bespreek word. Terwyl ongegronde en vals beskuldigings rondgeslinger word dat dit blankes (Afrikaners en Boere) se skuld is dat daar kommunale regte en wetgewing bestaan en dat die wat binne die kommunale gebiede bly en werksaam is, slegs verblyfreg besit en niks meer nie. Selfs die kleinlikhede en dwaasheid word voor die blankes se deure geprojekteer dat dit ons skuld is. Dit word met soveel nydigheid en haat, rassisme en diskriminasie verkondig veral in media en van owerheidskant af en intussentyd word liedjies gesing om blankes te vermoor oor die onreg…
Grond debatte – Land debates (SA)