This is just not a Russian or Putin idea only.   Here is more behind it than it is publicly announced. This is ridiculous, it is really outrageous to take away so much territory from Syria and the Kurdish province, or country that once was existed as a bigger country and was known as Kurdish territory.   Where and when was the Kurds ever known in the matter with the Turkish, Russians or Syria? – where are the agreement with the people that live in this province?  Those Kurdish and other people now live under the sun without protection or in tents – what is human about that?

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Ce n’est tout simplement pas l’idée russe, c’est là plus qu’elle est annoncée publiquement. C’est ridicule, c’est vraiment scandaleux de retirer autant de territoire d’une terre qui était autrefois un pays plus grand et qui était connue sous le nom de territoire kurde. Où et quand les Kurdes ont-ils jamais été mis au courant? Où est passé l’accord avec eux?
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Dit is net nie die Russiese idee nie; hier is meer agter dit as wat dit in die openbaar aangekondig word. Dit is belaglik, dit is regtig skandalig om soveel grondgebied weg te neem van ‘n land wat eens as ‘n groter land bestaan het en ook bekend gestaan het as Koerdiese grondgebied. Waar en wanneer was die Koerde ooit in die saak geken – waar is die ooreenkoms met hulle wat daar bly?
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Ev tenê ne fikra rûsî ye, li vir ji pişta ku ew ji gelemperî re ragihand, li pişt wê ye. Ev xeniqî ye, bi rastî jî hovane ev e ku meriv ew qas axa ji axek ku demekê wekî welatekî mezzin hebû û ji bo axa kurda dihat nas kirin ewqas erd bi dest xwe bavêje. Kengî û kengî di mijarê de kurd her gav tête zanîn – lihevkirinek bi wan re li ku ye?

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ليست هذه هي الفكرة الروسية ، فهناك ما وراءها أكثر مما تم الإعلان عنه علنًا. هذا أمر مثير للسخرية ، من المشين حقًا سحب الكثير من الأراضي من أرض كانت موجودة في السابق كدولة أكبر وكانت تُعرف بالأراضي الكردية. أين ومتى كان الأكراد معروفين في هذا الأمر – أين هو الاتفاق معهم؟
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Это просто не российская идея, она стоит за ней больше, чем это публично заявлено. Это смешно, действительно возмутительно отнимать так много территории у земли, которая когда-то существовала как большая страна и была известна как курдская территория. Где и когда были известны курды в этом вопросе – где соглашение с ними?

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Les Russes et les Turcs savent-ils ce qu’ils font aux Kurdes? Ici encore, ils font exactement ce qu’ils veulent avec les minorités et les ethnies qui ont possédé un pays et qui sont apatrides aujourd’hui. La plus grande preuve de l’injustice et des droits de l’homme des Kurdes a été violée par la Russie, la Turquie, le gouvernement syrien et tous ceux qui le soutiennent. Est-ce aussi pourquoi l’Amérique s’est retirée ici?
Знают ли русские и турки, что они делают с курдами? Здесь они снова делают то, что хотят, с меньшинствами и этническими народами, которые когда-то владели страной и сегодня не имеют гражданства. Самым большим доказательством правонарушений и нарушений прав курдов были Россия, Турция, сирийское правительство и все, кто его поддерживает. Это также почему Америка ушла сюда?
Weet die Russe en Turke wat hul aan die Koerde doen? Hier word weer eens net gemaak wat hulle wil met minderhede en etniese volke wat eens ‘n land gehad het en vandag staatloos is.  Die grootste bewys hoe daar onregte gepleeg word en menseregte van die Koerde geskend is deur Rusland, Turkye, die Siriese regering en elkeen wat dit steun.  Is dit ook hoekom Amerika hieruit onttrek het?
Ma Rûs û Tirk dizanin ku ew ji Kurdan re çi dikin? Li vir, careke din, ew bi ya hindikahî û gelên etnîkî ku demekê xwedan welatek bûn û îro bê welatparêz in jî, ew çi dikin dixwazin. Evidenceahidiya herî mezin a neheqî û binpêkirina mafê mirovan a kurdan ji hêla Rusya, Tirkiye, Hikûmeta Sûrî û her kesê ku piştgirî dide wê bû. Ma gelo ew jî çima Amerîka li vir vekişiya?
هل يعرف الروس والأتراك ماذا يفعلون للأكراد؟ هنا ، مرة أخرى ، يفعلون ما يريدون مع الأقليات والشعوب الإثنية الذين كانوا يمتلكون بلدًا ما وهم بلا جنسية اليوم. كان أكبر دليل على ارتكاب مخالفات وحقوق الإنسان للأكراد هو روسيا وتركيا والحكومة السورية وأي شخص يدعمها. هل هذا هو السبب أيضا في انسحاب أمريكا هنا؟

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Question – why do the Turkish people not have the same 32 kilometers  away as no-mandsland?  Who are the winners here with the Sochi deals?   Not the people of that province of Syria or the Kurdish people.     Why don’t the Turkish do not move backwards as well?

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BACKGROUND

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2019

Abandoned by their US allies and pummeled by Turkey’s offensive, the Kurds of Syria are forced to surrender control of their region and see their dreams of autonomy wiped out as Moscow and Ankara split control of northeast Syria between them.

The Kurds’ short-lived experience of self-government was all but crushed on October 22 in the Black Sea resort of Sochi as Russian President Vladimir Putin and his Turkish counterpart, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, agreed to carve out and police a buffer zone stretching across the Kurdish heartland in northeast Syria.

Their “memorandum” requires Kurdish forces to pull back 32 kilometres from the Syria-Turkey border along the 440km stretch running from the Euphrates to Iraq. It involves them relinquishing control of many of their main towns – with the exception of Qamishli, the de facto capital of their now defunct autonomous region.

Under the terms of the Sochi agreement, Russia and its Syrian allies in Damascus will “facilitate the departure” and disarmament of all fighters from the Kurdish Peoples’ Protection Units (YPG), thereby blunting the militia that controlled the area and spearheaded the fight against the Islamic State (IS) group in Syria.

The YPG and their allies in the US-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) lost more than 11,000 fighters in years of battle against the jihadist group. They had hoped their sacrifice would guarantee them the support of Western powers.   But those hopes were dashed by President Donald Trump’s abrupt decision to pull back US troops deployed along the border, which paved the way for the Turkish army and its Syrian proxy fighters to attack the heavily outgunned Kurds (and the Russians).

The Sochi deal signals a victory for Turkey, which rejects any idea of Kurdish autonomy along its border with Syrian and brands the YPG militia and its political branch as “terrorists”, due to their links with the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK), the banned organisation that has waged an insurgency in Turkey since 1994.

It also spells the end of the radical political experiment promoted by the Kurds, the world’s largest stateless nation, in a region they refer to as the Rojava – a rare case of progressive politics in Syria’s theatre of endless suffering.

THE KURDISH PEOPLE BELONG THERE – WHY DO THEY INTERFERE AND WHY DO AMERICA STEP ASIDE?

‘State of shock’

“The Kurds are still in a state of shock,” said Joshua Landis, a Syria expert and head of the Center for Middle Eastern Studies at the University of Oklahoma, in an interview with FRANCE 24.

“They know their dreams and hopes of creating an independent state are no longer on the agenda, and that they will now have to live under the rule of Bashar al-Assad, who is not about to give them more autonomy.”

Summoned to the rescue by desperate Kurds in the wake of the US pullout, Assad’s regime is another great beneficiary of the Sochi accord, along with its Russian protector.  (protector of what – taking away land from people).

It is then just reasonable that the same area 32 km from the Turkish border be clean and kept clean  – then there will be 64 kilometers clean from the two countries involved.

The Syrian government will now be able to reclaim control of swathes of territory it abandoned in 2012 while battling for survival. Thanks to Russia’s guarantee, it will do so unhindered by Turkey and its proxies, a motley force of former Syrian rebels, armed by Erdogan, who have turned their guns on the Kurds after failing to unseat Assad.

“The YPG will no longer be able to operate in this region as before,” said Landis. “As a result, the Syrian regime will restore its control as far as the border and across large areas, with the exception of those currently occupied by the Turks, whose fate remains uncertain.”

In one of the Sochi agreement’s grey areas, no specific date is given for Turkey’s withdrawal from Syrian territory.    How conveniently.

“This is a huge victory for Assad and Russia, because they have succeeded in stopping the Turkish invasion in northeast Syria, where Ankara was hoping to establish a safe zone that would have been entirely under Turkish control,” Landis added.

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A ‘compromise’ rather than a ‘genocide’

Amid their debacle, the Kurds have found a measure of consolation in Turkey’s decision to halt its offensive and scale back its territorial claims.

Ankara was hoping to control a 32 km deep “safe zone” along the border’s full length.

Instead, it has settled for a 120km segment of the border strip – an Arab majority area between the towns Tal Abyad and Ras al-Ain. Furthermore, joint Russian-Turkish patrols are set to begin along a 10km wide strip of the border on October 29.

For the Kurds, this will help “offset the bad news” contained in the Sochi agreement, said Landis. “For all their sorrow, this is relatively good news for the Kurds, who prefer having Russian or Syrian patrols rather than being in Turkey’s line of fire or having to leave their region,” he continued.

Landis cited the town of Kobane, a symbol of Kurdish resistance since the epic battle that saw it fend off the IS group’s repeated assaults in 2014, “which would have ended up in the area Turkey was hoping to control, had it not been for this accord”.

As details of the Sochi agreement filtered, Mazloum Abdi, the head of the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces, said he preferred a “compromise” to a “genocide”. He also thanked Moscow for “defusing the war in our region and sparing civilians its scourge”.

Exodus

Dubbed “Operation Peace Spring”, the Turkish offensive has resulted in the deaths of over a hundred civilians and more than 250 SDF fighters, according to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a London-based monitor. During a Congressional hearing in Washington, the US special representative for Syria, James Jeffrey, said US forces had seen evidence of war crimes committed during Turkey’s assault, though not of “ethnic cleansing”.

Operation Peace Spring has caused some 160,000 people to flee their homes, according to the United Nations, while NGOs say more than 7,500 Syrian Kurds fleeing the clashes have crossed into neighbouring Iraqi Kurdistan.

The Norwegian Refugee Council (NRC), a humanitarian group, says it expects up to 50,000 Syrians will have to be accommodated in Iraqi camps over the coming months.

“We’re seeing hundreds arriving into Iraq every day and we expect more to arrive, not only because of the fighting but also because of the fear of what is going to happen next,” said NRC’s director in Iraq, Rishana Haniffa, in a statement made on 22 October 2019.

Since the Syrian regime’s withdrawal from the Rojava in 2012, the Kurds had established institutions of their own, along with a “social contract” that underpinned their administration’s progressive and secular values. They also set up schools that taught the Kurdish language, following decades of marginalisation by a Syrian regime that denied them political and cultural rights. Seven years later, that regime is suddenly back.

Back in July 2018, the Kurds had begun tentative talks with Damascus, hoping to preserve their model within a “decentralised” Syria. Whether the Assad regime is ready to consider such an option, now that the Kurds are negotiating from a position of weakness, is far from certain.

https://www.france24.com/en/20191024-russia-s-deal-with-turkey-sounds-death-knell-for-kurdish-self-rule

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The question is will Russia, the United States, France, Israel or any African country, abandon 32 kilometers of their own territories where no security forces may be present, just to please the other neighboring countries to invade?

Can only imagine what will happen in South Africa if we give up 32 kilometers to neighboring countries such as in Zimbabwe, Mozambique, Lesotho or Namibia, but also have to perform the same, then there will be a 64 kilometer strip between each country where no one can patrol their borders.

If you live in a house and 2-3 metres must be abandoned by every house and you as owner are not responsible for any walls anymore – who will be in control of that areas?

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Each and every country is responsible for their own borders, so why must the Turkish or Russian people get involved in the Kurdish peoples areas (Province).  This is very unreasonable and violations of human rights, because people must left it within certain hours.   Why is there only a one-sided “peace” agreement?

Why do the major countries, like the Russians, Americans or others, do not carry it out themselves in their own countries and borders, but now the Russian and Turkish government put pressure on the ethnic Kurdish people in the area.   Not fair at all.  Who will pay this “resettle again” and where are all the civilians at this moment in time?

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Furthermore, it is no-where mentioned that the Turks should keep their own borders clean for 32 kilometers like Syria and where they are not allowed to patrol.   If it was then case then it was 64 kilometers strip altogether where no one is allowed. Then there is a large enough strip to erect walls between states of both Turkey and Syria.

It is, after all, part of the Syrian territory and is inhabited mainly by Kurdish ethnic people – was that the main reason – it is almost against the Kurdish people.    Is that what Russia is – to take away huge areas away from the Kurdish?   How can a great power like Russia enter into the agreement with the Turkish government, while the 32 kilometers are not part of Turkye.

Or what is wrong in this deal? are there other important minerals or oils we do not know about?

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