Moet verskriklik swaar wees vir ‘n bekende verbonde aan ‘n magtige “koninkryk”, maar die klein regse vleuel in Suid-Afrika word as ‘n bedreiging vir hulle (of vir die meerderheid swartes in Suid-Afrika) genoem. David Cameron klink eerder paniekbevange op sy ouderdom of is dit dalk stof tot nadenke na die Anglo Boere oorloë? Ons voorouers was dalk miskien arm, maar hulle was briljante voorouers, het kans gesien vir ‘n magtige Engeland wat die wêreld oorheers het. “Wees nie bevrees nie”.
Unbelievable – Cameron is really afraid of a small little minority group of whites in South Africa and called us the RIGHT WING. Did he forget what happened during the Anglo Boer War? And just after 1902 Brittain took over all the mining processes before it was settled as a country – Union of South Africa started 1910. So strange to see his face a few weeks after May’s visit.
Ons Boere is deel van die blanke volk in Suid-Afrika en dra ‘n watermerk as die Boer. Die Boere van die Boererepublieke nie net landbouers nie. Brittanje het voor 1900 hier kom inmeng en oorlog maak. Cameron moet een ding onthou, die Boererepublieke was nie die enigstes wat deurgeloop het onder Britse beheer en kolonialisme met al die oorloe en anneksasies wat onwettig afgevat is nie. Indië se burgers het ook deurgeloop onder Britse beheer. Daardie helkampe, die Britse konsentrasiekampe waardeur Brittanje ons voorouers geplaas het, sal nooit vergeet word nie. Tot die Zoeloes onthou dit ook.
Cameron het niks te verloor in Suid-Afrika nie en het geen sê oor regse blanke groepe nie – hy moet hom eerder by sy eie land of May aansluit. Inderwaarheid, net omdat Ramaphosa en sy ANC verkies het om deel van Commonwealth te bly beteken dit nie ons is die Britte se slawe nie – ons is nie ons voorouers. Dit was mos die Britte wat aparte gebiede begin het – Shepstone beleid van 1854 wat die Zoeloes se gebiede ook geannekseer het en dit toe Britse kroongebiede gemaak het. Richtersveld was ook ‘n Britse kroongebied gemaak.
The British people started segregation in the British colonies, long before 1900 – the Shepstone Policy of 1854 started with them and black leaders (chiefs). But they also took the Khoi and Zulu areas and claim them for themselves as British Crown lands. Read your own history. What do the Zulu people want? They want to rule themselves.
JULY 2018 – King Goodwill Zwelithini yesterday declared anyone after his land “an enemy of the Zulus”
Zwelithini wants their own state and freedom
Wanneer daar na Zwelithini geluister word, is die Zoeloes ook nie klaar met Brittanje nie – een oproep en hy het al die miljoene Zoeloes agter hom – wees versigtig hiervoor – ons Boere en regses staan nie alleen nie. Dus moet Cameron wegbly uit Suid-Afrika se sake uit en dreigemente oor regses sluk. Suid-Afrika is ons land ook en hier gaan ons bly. Cameron, het mos ‘n land of waarom wil Brittanje skielik Ramaphosa ook beheer. Dalk die baie minerale waaragter almal so is?
Former UK prime minister David Cameron has slammed anti-land reform international campaigns launched by right wing groups in South Africa. Cameron, who was in the country for the Discovery Leadership Summit this week, said people keen on following the land debate in the country should rather listen to President Cyril Ramaphosa.
“Listen to what the president is saying, not what is said on Twitter,” urged Cameron.
In an interview with Independent Media on Thursday, Cameron said there was no use arguing about the land issue, but it needed to be addressed. “There is an understanding that this (land) should not be a barrier to investment,” he said. He praised Ramaphosa for his “measured” article in the London Financial Times’ op-ed pages in August when he told the international community that accelerated land reform in South Africa was the second biggest constraint to poverty reduction and shared prosperity to secure the country’s future.
Cameron refused to speak about Brexit and US president Donald Trump during the interview despite talking openly about both issues during his address at the summit. “I don’t share Trump’s view that America will prosper by closing itself off, said the former prime minister.”
Ons as Boere en Afrikaners het nie nodig om onder kommunisme, die commonewalth of May of Cameron deur te loop nie. Ander etniese volke het ook nie nodig nie en mag nes ander volke onafhanklikheid verkry. Kom vry uit Britse en kommunistiese beheer.
The following correction was printed in the Observer’s For the record column, Sunday September 10 2006
In the article below we say Margaret Thatcher once offered the opinion that anyone who believed the African National Congress would ever rule South Africa was living in ‘cloud-cuckoo-land’. However, this remark would appear to be apocryphal. Its origin seems to be a response by her press spokesman, Bernard Ingham, on 16 October 1987 at the Vancouver Commonwealth Heads of Government meeting. A Canadian journalist speculated that the ANC might overthrow the white South African regime, to which Ingham replied: ‘It is cloud-cuckoo-land for anyone to believe that could be done.’
David Cameron dramatically denounced one of Margaret Thatcher’s flagship foreign policies last night, saying that she was wrong to have branded Nelson Mandela’s African National Congress as ‘terrorists’ and to have opposed sanctions against the apartheid regime in South Africa.
The Tory leader, who met Mandela in Johannesburg last week, made his most forceful break yet with the Thatcher years in an article written for today’s Observer. His remarks were welcomed by veterans of the Anti-Apartheid Movement, who engaged in a fierce political battle with Thatcher during the 1980s as violence escalated in South Africa’s townships while she resisted growing international pressure for sanctions to be imposed.
But his intervention drew sharp criticism from some of the ex-Prime Minister’s closest allies. Her former spokesman, Sir Bernard Ingham, said: ‘I wonder whether David Cameron is a Conservative.’
Describing Mandela as ‘one of the greatest men alive’, Cameron writes: ‘The mistakes my party made in the past with respect to relations with the ANC and sanctions on South Africa make it all the more important to listen now.
‘The fact that there is so much to celebrate in the new South Africa is not in spite of Mandela and the ANC, it is because of them – and we Conservatives should say so clearly today.’
He adds that his ‘overwhelming impression’ on visiting a history museum in Soweto last week was ‘not how violent the armed struggle or Soweto uprisings were, but how restrained’.
Lady – then Mrs – Thatcher, in close alliance with American President Ronald Reagan, championed a policy of ‘constructive engagement’ with Pretoria in order to urge reform on a government which they saw as a bulwark against Soviet-backed radicalism.
To the fury of the Anti-Apartheid Movement, she described the ANC as ‘terrorists’. In 1987, she said that anyone who believed the ANC would ever rule South Africa was ‘living in cloud-cuckoo-land’.
Since becoming Tory leader under the campaign slogan ‘Change to win’, Cameron has occasionally sought to distance himself from the Thatcher era. In a reference to her controversial remark that ‘there is no such thing as society’, he has declared: ‘There is such a thing as society, it’s just not the same as the state.’
In openly repudiating her South Africa policy, he has challenged her legacy in a political area which has a huge significance for both her supporters and foes.
Commenting on his article last night, the Thatcher-era cabinet minister and former party chairman Lord Tebbit told The Observer: ‘Because of his age, Mr Cameron is looking at these events as part of history. Others of us who lived through them and had input into the discussions at the time see things very differently. The policy of the Thatcher government was a success.
‘The result was an overwhelmingly peaceful transition of power in which the final initiative for the handover came not from foreigners but from native South Africans – and Afrikaner South Africans, at that.’
Another former minister, who did not wish to be named, said of the Cameron comments: ‘They are ignorant.’
Labour’s Northern Ireland Secretary, Peter Hain, who was a prominent anti-apartheid activist, reacted to the comments with a mix of scepticism and bitterness.
‘I remember Conservative students of David Cameron’s generation wearing “Hang Nelson Mandela” badges on campus,’ he said. ‘For those of us in the struggle – a bitter struggle, a life-and-death struggle – the Tories were the enemy as much as Pretoria.
‘If the change is for real, I’m glad. But I wonder how many Tories are behind this change in mood music.’ Mike Terry, long-time executive secretary of the Anti-Apartheid Movement, said he felt ‘vindicated’ by Cameron’s shift. ‘The very fact he feels being seen with Nelson Mandela is going to influence his credibility is such a profound change, and a recognition of what South Africa has accomplished in the past 12 years in terms of transformation.’
Terry’s only concern was that ‘David Cameron does not just use the meeting as a photo opportunity, but will have listened to what Mandela has had to say – about the Iraq war, about the Middle East or about the need for resources to address HIV/Aids’.
A further welcome for Cameron’s initiative came from Shawn Slovo – the film-maker daughter of former ANC military chief Joe Slovo and his wife, the anti-apartheid activist Ruth First, who was murdered by the South African intelligence services in a parcel-bomb attack. ‘I feel pleased,’ she said. ‘I think: “You’re on the right side.” Discounting my scepticism, I would say I don’t know whether it could make me want to vote Tory, but that probably meeting Mandela was a very genuine attempt to pay his respects and to be on the right side.’
Cameron’s article also appears to represent an audacious bid to seize the issue of African aid and development from Gordon Brown, his probable adversary in the next general election. Although Cameron says he heard praise while in South Africa for Tony Blair’s ‘commitment to Africa’, he pointedly omits any reference to Brown. And he highlights the Tories’ determination to address the issue: ‘We will not have a safer, more prosperous world without a successful and sustainable Africa.’
He adds that he came away from his South Africa visit convinced that politicians must learn ‘patience’ and ‘humility’ in dealing with increasingly complex world issues and recognise that resolving them will require not just top-down decisions but long-term engagement at all levels of society.
His visit to South Africa, which came at the invitation of Nelson Mandela, also appears to mark the start of an effort to raise Cameron’s international profile and to position him, in the words of one senior aide, as a ‘potential Prime Minister in waiting’.
George Osborne, the shadow Chancellor, is travelling to Japan this week and is scheduled to meet at least two cabinet ministers. He will then join Cameron in India, where they are expected to hold talks with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and other leading Indian government figures.