Expropriation of properties

 

Kgalema Motlanthe criticised Parliament’s response to the report, which he said explained that the Constitution was clear on the expropriation of land without compensation.   Former president Kgalema Motlanthe says the expropriation of land without compensation will never happen in South Africa.  He was addressing a property summit in Sandton, north of Johannesburg during October 2019.

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Motlanthe spoke about the challenges of land restitution, reform, redistribution and security of tenure covered in a High Level Panel, which he led, and subsequently compiled a report.   He also criticised Parliament’s response to the report, which he said explained that the Constitution was clear on the expropriation of land without compensation.

“Nonetheless, parliamentarians in their wisdom decided that actually, this Section 25 is not explicit enough. So they want to amend it to make it explicitly clear that there shall be expropriation without compensation. That’s not going to happen in a hundred years’ time, I can assure you that,” says Motlanthe.

Motlanthe says he’s convinced that Parliamentarians have not read his 2017 report on land reform.

“Even crafted a draft law of general application, we called it indicative law. We said you must pass this law and it looks as follows but the report was submitted, very few people read it in Parliament. It wasn’t read at all,” says Motlanthe.

http://www.sabcnews.com/sabcnews/expropriation-of-land-without-compensation-will-never-happen-in-sa-motlanthe/

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More than 20000 farms were in the market in 2016, even more in 2020.   ANC is in charge and making the rules.

More than 5000 productive farms were bought since 1994 with TAX money – where is that today.

More than 8000 old mines were not rehabilitated. Government is responsible for all those old mines, that were previously farms.

#rehabilitation

Why not?   What happened to the money to rehabilitate those areas?    Huge areas are involved and were those areas of old mines included in the land audit?   Do not think so.

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REFERRED TO THE FREEDOM CHARTER OF THE ANC  (CLAUSE 4)

The land question is probably the most hotly contested debate, at the moment. Former President, Kgalema Motlanthe, has been in the crosshairs of those not keen on tribal land being expropriated. He chaired the High-Level Panel, appointed by the government to review the impact of over a thousand laws, passed since the dawn of democracy in 1994. But, the former statesman is not phased about being criticised for the Panel’s proposals on the land issue. He spoke to the SABC’s Sakina Kamwendo, on his stance.

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The question of land is a contentious political issue in South Africa, and one of the most divisive in the country. Historically, black land ownership was undermined through decades of colonial dispossession and discriminatory apartheid legislation – measures which for many years prevented the majority of the population from owning property based solely on their race.

With the end of white minority rule in 1994, the democratic government made a promise of land restitution and a programme was put in place. It followed a “willing seller, willing buyer” model through which the government bought white-owned farms for redistribution. However, despite this, progress has been slow and most of the country’s farmland is still owned by white farmers. It is estimated that white South Africans – who make up approximately nine percent of the country’s population – own more than 70 percent of the commercial agricultural land. Property rights are protected by South Africa’s constitution, but to propel the stalled land reform process, the government is now considering a constitutional change that would allow it to expropriate land from white farmers without paying for it. The move is controversial and has found criticism in some quarters. Others argue that a radical approach is needed to redress past racial injustices that still manifest in the high levels of poverty among black communities.

There are also supporters on all sides, who agree that land reform is essential for the future of the country. But many argue that the government needs to do more in order for it to succeed. “I support land expropriation, but on specific issues or on specific land,”

Shimi Jonas Makoka, a black farmer, tells Al Jazeera. He emphasises that the issue is “not a blanket cover that every [white] farmer’s farm is subject to expropriation”. “That fear must be diminished and clarity must be given to all farmers – commercial and upcoming farmers – that the government is not aiming at taking farms and grabbing the farms,” he says. Makoka is concerned that uncertainty around the government’s land expropriation plan is causing a “stir” among white commercial farmers, which could threaten food security in the country – especially if upcoming black farmers are not supported to effectively utilise the land. “We need thorough, continuous support until a farmer is established,” he says. “You cannot take a farmer halfway, or just introduce him into this wilderness and then leave him out.

We need support.” Leon Borcherds, a white farmer whose family has been in the industry since 1948, says land reform is “definitely” needed. “The white farming community is ageing rapidly … so we need new entrants into this market. We need entrance obviously of black farmers, we have never disputed that, and I think it’s very important,” he says. But he adds that a major problem is the government’s approach. “I think the government has not made it such a priority in their plans, and there has also been a lot of corruption. A lot of the money has disappeared that was supposed to get to the farmer on the ground.” “Farms are being expropriated, but the title deed does not get to the black man at the end of the day,”

Borcherds feels, saying this prevents upcoming black farmers from getting the necessary financing to help their farms succeed. “People don’t know how to farm; train them, help us,” he says to South Africa’s government. “The white commercial farmer is more than happy to help the government in this, but [government must] create the platforms. There are a lot of plans, but politics is involved every time and we never get anywhere.”

Borcherds says what is needed is a model whereby white commercial farmers can transfer knowledge to new upcoming black farmers and the two can work collaboratively.

Makoka agrees. “We are prepared as Africans to take over the land and work on it. Nevertheless, we are expecting some assistance, like the skills that they [white farmers] have got; the experience in farming,” he says. “This is the time when white commercial farmers must come on board. They shouldn’t be like a species that is endangered. They must be part of the whole land reform, and the mindset needs to change. This is our country, we are living here; all of us must pull together and then find the solution to the whole thing.”

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NOTES OF OPINIONS

Farming is a business like any other business in the world.  Farming is also a special skills and experience way of living.    There are various farm options.  It is like to learn to be a doctor or an engineer – nothing is for free.  Nobody can force you to be a doctor or an engineer.     There are different farmers as well – there are different doctors and engineers as well.

There are hundreds of (white) farm mentors in South Africa to blacks and others population groups.

Why must people attack our farmers and kill them?   And do not tell if people came into a farmhouse and get a cellphone and gun, rape the women and torture the family –  it is about salaries.  Nonsense.   Those are criminals that want to torture and rape whites.

Why are those 5000 state farms still not expropriated?   Tax money paid for that.    Government must pay mentors for their experiences and skills on those farms that people have their own ability to farm.

If anybody goes overseas, you pay to get more knowledge, either from other farmers or universities.    Nothing is for free.

To build your own experience is important, not only to be a farmer.

By the way, most white farmers started from “baby” stage to learn themselves the skills and experiences.   The previous government did not teach them that.   We all paid for our own education and experiences.    Most white farmers get a loan and pay it back, not receive a farm for free.  They are working long hours to reach their own goals.

All farmers do not have always staff and work for themselves.  Is only when it is commercial or big farms that need extra hands.  And that is also not slaves, but workers with an agreement.   Farmers are mostly the only employers that give housing and extra (not a must), but nowadays you can not trust anybody to stay on the farm.

If you work for any other employer, you do not receive shares or land or buildingoffice in that company at all.   You are working for a salary (by agreement you agreed to) and that is it.    If you are a municipal workers, you do not receive shares in the fleet or buildings of that municipal offices.

No company in South Africa, not even Ramaphosa or any other minister share their houses, farms or companies with the workers.

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Motlanthe produced a report that provides answers to ‘Land Question’ but is ignored by Parliament

14 MAY 2018 – Tim Modise sits down with, The University of Johannesburg’s Professor Steven Friedman to discuss Land Expropriation without Compensation. He says Kgalema Motlanthe has produced a report that provides answers to ‘Land Questions‘ but currently ignored by the South African Parliament.

 

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November 2018

World experts on land reform have warned against South Africa’s proposed expropriation of land without compensation – they say that the policy could lead to the country’s self-destruction. The conference on Security of Property Rights hosted by the Free Market Foundation has heard that South Africa would go the Zimbabwe route should it go ahead to implement the expropriation of land without compensation. The two-day conference has drawn experts from Venezuela, India and African states.

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 Internasionale reg is baie duidelik hieroor dat niemand van hul eiendom mag vervreem word en dit sonder kompensasie is ‘n internasionale misdaad net soos wat swart bemagtiging en regstellende aksie misdade is.      Kenners is van mening dat indien dit gebeur, is Zimbabwe ons voorland.

Nugter alleen weet hoekom daar soveel geld uitgegee is op die landwye “vergaderings” en al daardie “invorderings” van kommentare wat daarteen is.  Dit het ontaard in heelwat moorde, aanvalle en ook haatspraak.

Daar was al soveel vals aantuigings , selfs van die president Ramapadda homself oor blankes grond gesteel het, wat ook onwaar is.  ANC weet presies wat ons geskiedenis is en die agente saam is ten volle bewus hiervan.

Die ANC en hul liberale en klassieke maatjies weet reeds ons Boere en Afrikaners het ‘n reg tot ons eie regering en onafhanklikheid, nes wat Botswana het.   Verwys na die Akkoord van die Volkstaatraad, wat amptelik in 1994 ingestel is met ‘n mandaat wat in 1994 verkry is met die verkiesing.   Hierdie akkoord was ONDERHANDEL met die ANC, vorige regering en ook buitelandse verteenwoordigings vir die Afrikaner-Boere wat selfbeskikking (onafhanklikheid) verlang soos vereis deur internasionale reg.
The Afrikaner Accord was negotiated before the 1994 elections and there was an official mandate to go forward with the fully investigation and implementation thereof.    It was recommended at the end we get a province and self-determination on those areas.   All peoples have a right to self-determination, the Afrikaner and Boers as well.   The Zulu people also negotiate their old homeland (Kwazulu) and change the name to Ingonyama Trust as their own with their own traditional leaders.  It is not apartheid, but people have rights.

Staatloos – Menseregteskending en internasionale misdade

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Hoekom dit nooit verder gegaan het nie, sal nugter alleen weet, en kan elkeen hul eie opinie vorm – en eie belang staan heel bo-aan geskryf.    Hier is ons saak probeer sink waarop ons ‘n reg het om dit verder te neem.   Die ANC regering, sowel EFF en ander weet lankal van ons saak hiervoor, want baie het met die Volkstaatraad se artikels ingesit – dus dra hulle kennis daarvan.

Dit was destyds die VF wat daarmee vertrou is, maar hulle het later verkies om multi-kultuur te word en dus verloor hul die mandaat en akkoord, wat nie van ons vervreem kan word nie.  Die aanbevelings is nie teruggevoer nie en ook nooit verder geneem nie.  Die Akkoord is onder die ou grondwet (tussentydse regering) verkry en onderteken en nie die 1996 Grondwet nie.   Daar was verskeie internasionale verteenwoordigers hierby betrokke en was dit nie net die 3 partye nie.

Ander etniese volke het onderhandel in die vorm van Trustgebiede of CPAs waarmee hul rojaal vergoed is in die 25 jaar.   CPAs beteken grondeise wat in plek gekom het, waar hul baie finansies uit die staatskas ontvang het, maar nie net geld nie, ook saad, implemente en diere.  Daar is 8840 tradisionele leiers en nie een is deel van ons nie en ons kultuur en identiteit verskil hemelsbreed met hulle.   Elkeen voer hul eie bestaan en kan die khoisan volke nie oor die zoeloevolke probeer heers nie.   Khoisan het verskeie tradisionele gebiede (CPA’s) gekry onder leiding van Thabo Mbeki.

Refer to the publication published regarding self-determination in 1995 regarding  Afrikaner and Boer Self-determination and Volkstaat – Proposed areas – Richards A Griggs.
Verwys na die publikasie van die werk wat die Volkstaatraad gedoen het.
Self-determination – Selfbeskikking (publikasie 1995)

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Die akkoord was vir die Afrikaners en Boere onderhandel. Dit was die wat in selfbeskikking belanggestel het wat daarvoor gestem het. Dit is aanbeveel ons kry ‘n provinsie met die oog op selfbeskikking daarna. Dis nooit vorentoe geneem nie.

Terloops is daar in dieselfde tyd ook akkoord met die Zoeloes bereik vir hul eie Ingonyama trust – alhoewel nie onafhanklik nie, het hul hul eie tradisionele leiers en wetgewing. Maar ook dit is geen versekering dat hulle grondgebied nie deur die ANC gevat gaan word nie. Net onafhanklikheid sal versekering wees.

Na 1994 is hordes grondeise ingestel onder CPA wetgewing, elkeen met hul eie tradisionele leiers, maar ook soos met Ingonyama trust, is geen grond veilig onder die ANC se grondwet en heerskappy nie (kommuniste soek alles). Hulle het ook heelwat (biljoene) uit die staatskas ontvang, sowel finansiele steun en salarisse.

Altesaam 8840 tradisionele leiers trek voordeel hieruit, wat niks van ons is nie.


What happened after the 1994 elections?    Refer to the “1993 Mandela and executive letter” dated 1993.       The ANC, the executives  and NP supported the full investigation of self-determination and volkstaat of Afrikaner and Boere (whites).
Self-determination – Afrikaner/Boer – ANC-Mandela letter (1993)

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Hierdie Akkoord kon nie voortbestaan het sonder ‘n mandaat nie, want dan sou die ANC parlement die ondersoeke ook nie amptelik goedgekeur het nie, dit was ook een van die voorwaardes.
Selfbeskikking en Volkstaat (Akkoord)

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Signature and recognition:   Accord 1994.   The ANC signed the agreement in 1994 as well. We as a people, Afrikaner and Boer (whites) have an international right to rule over ourselves on all levels of governments.
Selfbeskikking – Self-determination

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Selfs liberaal verligtes en klassieke liberales lees nie lang artikels in Hansards en wetgewing nie, dan sal hulle weet daar is duisende grondeise, met trustgebiede wat reeds aan swart en bruin behoort.    Is al hierdie grondgebiede by die landoudit / grondoudit ingeplaas, dit beloop miljoene hektaar grond.

Hulle lees ook nie die realiteite in internasionale reg, wat ons reg as volk het nie maar glo die eenoog base wat mag soek.   Dit is nie altyd aangenaam om langdradige lang Hansards te lees vir feite wat op nasionale vlak plaasvind nie.  Indien  iemand egter hul uitgee vir ‘n toffie moet hulle verwag om gevreet te word.

Die gevolgtrekking wat Motlanthe gemaak het dat niemand of baie min sy verslag van 2017 gelees het nie is die realiteite van ons tyd.   Elkeen wil 2 sinne lees en ‘n oplossing binne 2 sinne hê.

Wie het die mag in die land – die kommuniste wat maak en breek soos hulle wil, dis geen demokrasie nie.   Wys die demokrasie in Swart bemagtiging, regstelaksie, sowel as grondonteiening sonder vergoeding.

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